HELP US (A Call in the Wilderness???)!!!!

Lenny,

I'm a Yanker, but I'm getting old so maybe that explains the lack of response... ;-)

To be honest, I'm not very proud of being a citizen of the USA OR an English speaking person, given the history of genocide and colonialism associated with each...., but "we've got to deal with the hand that we're dealt"..."so to speak"...

"There's nothing new under the sun"

I used to playfully jest with my father on that one...

I'd say, "What's new?"

He'd say, "nothing, everything's old".

I'd say, "older than most people think, or can think, but you would concede to me that life is a process of constant renewal?"

Let me answer that myself. Life is so old that we can not begin to estimate (accurately or will we ever know or does it matter), but not nearly as old as existence.

However, the way things are progressing on the planet, most of life is approaching that infinite abyss, unless we turn things around and fast, unless we make a conscious worldwide change and commitment to change that has never occurred before in the history of that species that is us...

We must not only recognize that Man is a flash in geological time, but more importantly those precious fossil fuels and other natural resources are so infinitessimally tiny and more importantly than that the use of the great squanderer, the automobile, even smaller.

We in the United States MUST commit to reducing automobile usage by 80% in the next 20 to 40 years and begin implementing such a demand side management and supply side reallocation plan almost immediately, if we are to have any hope, whatsoever, of avoiding the greatest extinction of life, particularly the human sort in the next 50 to 100 years.

Can we do it?

Is there hope?

Help us!

To Antheus Vincent ("Green Interfaith Alliance")

Antheus Vincent (Who is Gerard Frank?):

Ambitious plans you have to rebuild West Denver. Would like to be involved in any way that I can help. Can't attend your meeting, for I am in Eugene, Oregon (much too far to walk)...

Are you a Denver based group?

Have only been through Denver on a bus, so I can't visualize West Denver (Is it the "black" section of town? "Latino"? I'm guessing that it is poor and distressed. Would that be a correct assumption?).

We need to take control of the Treasury and allocate funds directly for ecological (resources are maximized and retained within neighborhoods) economic community redevelopment. That is what I mean by a socialist paradigm. Right now, the Treasury loans funds to Capitalists who loan to other Capitalists who work together with Landlords and Warlords and Investors and Owners to exploit working and poor people. Profit is the motivation, not needs of the people.

What I mean by plan and implement socialism is that we need to fundamentally change the dominant economic paradigm so that resources can be allocated directly to the people in need, to meet their needs. In Moslem law, all interest on loans is usury. In Capitalist Western Financial Empires, Central Banks and the Banking "Industry" is a big con game to further the competitive advantage of the Capitalist property holders.

Until the basic way that resources are allocated to and within communities is radically and completely changed, I don't see how you/we will be able to fund the type of redevelopment that is needed throughout this country and throughout the world. On a larger view, we also have to change the way that resources are allocated within and among economic sectors, but let that be a subject of another discussion.

I envision walkable communities where automobiles will not be necessary. This is what I call demand side management (we are way past peak in world fossil fuel production capabilities and terribly squandering such on a daily basis, wouldn't it be wise to conserve such precious resources for home heating, cooking, hot water, and electricity?) and would also require supply side reallocation so that the things people need are within walking distance of their quality of life homes.

Equity (meaning ownership and equality) is a key word.

Sustainability without equity will never happen.

Get Van Jones (appointed to CEQ by Obama) and the "Latino" Secretary of Labor to influence Obama and Gaithner and get funds dirctly allocated to (y)our communit(ies).

The USA and their Capitalist allies are on a dead end path and it is way beyond the midnight hour.

I can not over express the urgency of the situation relative to the youth and children of our communities.

I have a relatively brief essay on the concept of "Restructuring Financial Systems" that creates local and inter-community "Peoples' Equity Unions" for which ownership would be shared and redistributed in accordance with the principles that we are all kin and seek and deserve and will enjoy working to bring a quality of life to everyone. Such is a more humane world view than how can I make a profit by offering more and more absurd and irrational economic choices, within a rapidly dwindling natural resource base.

You may want to check out my web log.

Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Peace.

Intro. to "Green-InterFaith" Discussion Group

I just joined this group and wanted to introduce myself and query current memebers about their activities and ideologies.

I am an Ancient Green, having come of age during the early years of The Institute for Local Self-Reliance, Total Environmental Action, R.A.I.N, and the multitude of other green organizations that flourished in the 70's.

I have read Van Jones' book. I have tremendous respect for his call to inclusion for the envireonmental movement, but must point out that Van's understanding of "green technologies" is naive, as we were in the early days.

The real opportunity for a "green collar economy" is in a comprehensive demand side management plan coupled with a comprehensive supply side reallocation scheme in which we rebuild neighborhoods and reallocate goods and services to those neighborhoods in a "plan and implement" socialist paradigm.

I have given many years of study and thought to the situation and see no alternative other than to fundamentally change the ways in which resources are allocated to and within communities and within and among economic sectors.

(Yahoo) Organizational Discussion Introduction

Let's make no mistake about it, the future for the youth and children of the world has never looked bleaker.

I make no false promises, hold out no false hopes.

The Peoples' Equity Union concept attempts to be a bright, if infinitessimally small, glimmer of hope in a world that precludes such.

I have dedicated most of my life to the improvement of conditions for the people of the planet and believe that if we do not choose to attempt to lever the fulcrum of change and commit to a fundamental change in the way that people interact (i.e. cooperate not compete) with each other economically using the highest powers of knowledge and reason at our collective resources, then we ALL face certain extinction.

The Peoples Equity Union seeks to be a pivotal "point" of change that will unite all people in a rational, ecological economic planning and implementation organization to revolutionize life on earth. I recognize a finite planet, all of human history and pre-history and place the needs of ALL the children and youth of the planet and future generations as prominent.

If you decide to join the discussion, the attempt to form an ecologically economic democratic local/regional/world organization, and I hope that you will, I ask that you identify yourself by using your real and full name and your location.

It is my hope to endeavor to discuss how local, inter-community, inter-regional, and worldwide organization and redevelopment progress can be achieved.

Please, do not argue to make yourself right and others wrong, although you and they may be just that. Remember the goal is cooperation and as close to selflessness, relative to improvement of the human condition, as one can get.

Thanks.

Keep hope alive!

Let's Organize!!!

Please join me in an attempt to make socialism real.

Join the Yahoo discussion group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peoplesequityunion .

This is a discussion group that aims to realize the eutopian socialism goals of the Peoples' Equity Union , a comprehensive neighborhood/inter-community/inter-regional worldwide ecological economic redevelopment organization with the mission of and based on the principles of equity, humanity, inclusion, quality of life, peace and sustainability.

We, as a unified world, need to radically change the ways in which resources are allocated to and within communities and within and amongst economic sectors. Let's discuss how we can accomplish this in a world way past its eleventh hour.

Especially for the youth and children.

Why are "we" in Afghanistan?

Let me straighten you out as to why "we" are in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is a strategic location for oil and gas pipelines that the US and allies want to build to what is perhaps the last frontier of oil and gas deposits in the more northern "Stans" (Kazhakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, etc.?), all former members of the USSR, for which the Soviet Union has done all the leg and ground work (geological survey) to find such resources.

Since pipelines through and across Iran are relatively out of the question, and Pakistan was/is? considered an ally then pipelines through Afghanistan and lower Pakistan geopolitically seems to be the more feasible route to get those precious resources, to feed the USAs gluttonous appetite, to the Arabian Sea and under "Western" control.

Don't be fooled by any other propaganda. Tell O'Bomber to go "fly al quaeda".

That's the truth of the matter. It is almost amazing (they murdered (medical-industrial complex) my Friend, Karl Davies, a brilliant geo-politicist for spreading the truth widely back in the early days after 9/11) that it is not common knowledge in AmeriKar. Then again, the AmeriKarnageians prefer to remain ignorant and their "leaders" certainly prefer them that way.

Now, they are uncovering "terrorist plots" (in the media), thus rallying the paranoia of the AmeriKarnageian pigs so that they will allocate more of our endless resources to "homeland security", surveillance, "defense" spending, locally opening up more jail cells in Lane County (don't buy it, but if you have access to the Register for the Guard, read the ongoing drama about how the "Prison-Industrial Complex is lobbying a gullible public about dangerous criminals on the street, all with the real intentions of increasing work for pigs with Gestapo mentalities and increasing the number of political prisoners.

Anyway, I thought that you all would like to know.

With Respect to a "Green" Economy

Hi Uyen,

Thanks for writing.

I don't recall where I said that "Green Jobs were Fictitious"

What I probably meant was that within the current economic, political, and technological paradigm/understanding, they are very little more than a false promise. Obama and Clinton are good at that.

You state the key, but I suspect you misunderstand the term that you used, "demand side economics". For example, there is more than ample demand for wind and PV, but the reality is that the supply side of these technologies are a fiction relative to that demand. Solar thermal has a huge potential but will never be realized in the Capitalist economy.

The whole Classical and Neo-classical notion of supply and demand is an almost totally invalid abstraction when used to develop mechanistic and/or econometric models of the so-called "market system". There are so many simplifying assumptions that supply and demand curves prove to be of marginal, if any, use. But, I understand your term demand to be a more generic application of the word.

The key is demand side economics, and supply side reallocation, and I will restate what I wrote in the second essay. We need to abandon the fallacious notions of a Capitalist scam "market economy" and move judiciously to a "plan and implement" socialist economy. You are quite correct when you say that when communities have the resources both to aggregate and bargain relative to their demands (I would substitute needs and wants) then we will be able to successfully implement a green economy based on the principles of equity, humanity, quality of life, inclusion, peace, and sustainability.

Two important points.

1.) Demand side management for fossil fuels and even more odious alternatives (i.e. nuclear) needs to be the priority when talking about energy resources. We need to rebuild communities and reallocate goods and services in a manner that will reduce the use of the automobile by 80% in the next twenty to forty years. If this is a pipe dream, then it is far superior to Obama's 35.5 mpg fantasy, which even if doable, will have little to no positive impact on the magnitude of the problem that we face.

2.) Fundamental change is necessary in the way that we allocate resources to and within communities and within and among economic sectors. Plan and implement. Plan and implement. Plan and implement... We need a worldwide understanding that neighborhood/inter-community/inter-regional and worldwide cooperation must become the modus operandi.

I hope this helps to clarify my position.

I am a Eutopian Socialist who has conceived the Peoples' Equity Union, a bright and tiny (or should I write "infinitesimal") glimmer of hope for the youth and children of the planet at a time in history where there really (should I leave room for error?) is exactly none.

Nonetheless, nothing ventured, nothing gained, and although the people of Eugene choose to be completely uncaring of the fate of our progeny, and no significant others have acknowledged that there is real hope in my proposals, I continue to reach out.

It is my hope that I can find renaissance thinking in the environs and that we can "keep hope alive" and begin to grow a movement that would need to be the largest fulcrum of change that the human race has ever experienced.

Let's be sufficiently cynical, and not delusional, and understand that reality from the start.